|I have also heard that the hardware password (and all the other ROM settings) |will get wiped if you remove the battery for a while, but I haven't tried |it.(Haven't had the need... :>) |Does anyone know? Yes, this is correct. The way I was taught to do it to pull the battery, wait 30 seconds, pop the battery in backwards for 5 seconds, and then wait another minute & reinstall it normaly. I don't know wether that's 'spec' for absolute certain, but it does work, and has no ill effects that I've seen. Also, on NeXT's, if the /etc/netinfo directory is set with read permissions for other (the default), you can go in and look at the netinfo database as it is set up in the files. it's not "plain text" but isn't unparseable either. Obviously, if you're smart you reset these perms in a multi-user environment to make the stuff unreadable by g & o. In a situation where you've lost the root password or whatever, you obviously have console access, so there's no problem with them only having root permissions. -tfs ________________________________________________________________ tfs@vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon George Mason University (PGP key avail.) Public Affairs I speak for myself, but often claim demonic possession